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COVID-19, The ONLY info you need...

Stumpy McDugal

Cracker OG
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According to a recent study by Johns Hopkins, more than 250,000 people in the United States die every year because of medical mistakes, making it the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

Just a thought as everyone continues freaking out about Covid19.
 

WVaKay

Well-known member
Guess we just need to keep our cool and use common sense. Thanks for the info. That on TV is steady scary drama.
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
I think the important thing is to not pay attention to people who don't have any expertise in the subject and seek info from "the experts." And if something sounds ridiculous to you, go to an "expert" source to verify.
 

sundealer

Founder
Signs and symptoms of COVID-19 may appear two to 14 days after exposure and can include:


  • Fever
  • Cough
  • Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
I have had these symptoms for the last 20 years!!


Right now the biggest worry for me is the pollen!
Red,watery, puffy eyes
Sneezing
Blowing
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
Apparently the key to keeping the virus from spreading like wildfire is, "social distancing"... it may very well be the crazy "over reaction" is what is keeping it at bay and the numbers low. From what I've read the virus is not normally very severe for children and younger people; however, they can be carriers. Hence the need for "social distancing"... if little Johnny picks up the virus and doesn't get very sick with it, he can carry it over to gramps house and when he hugs old gramps who has a compromised immune system...it could be extremely bad for gramps and little Johnny could lose him forever. When I refer to the "crazy over reaction" I am not talking about the just plain craziness displayed by some people who think they need 1,000 rolls of toilet paper and 200 bottles of hand sanitizer; not the schools, sporting events, Disneyland, etc. closing down and/or resorting to online college classes, etc. -- those who are initiating the "social distancing" and hopefully people will realize the necessity and will act accordingly and take to heart the advice being distributed by the experts..

It will be too late to contain the virus if hundreds of thousands or even millions get exposed and sick...the need is to get in front of it and fight it, not fight it from behind. And while the school kid, the college kid, the 20- 30- 40-somethings are likely to survive it without much fallout, many of their elderly parents, grandparents and chronically ill siblings aren't.


 
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sundealer

Founder
Social Distancing is a good term.
Bars, clubs, restaurants the best places for social interaction are all still open!
As for little Johnny, who do you think will be watching him and his siblings while Mom and Dad have to go to work?
Time to invest in Netflix, Goggle, Facebook and any online food/grocery delivery service.
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
Apparently the key to keeping the virus from spreading like wildfire is, "social distancing"... it may very well be the crazy "over reaction" is what is keeping it at bay and the numbers low. From what I've read the virus is not normally very severe for children and younger people; however, they can be carriers. Hence the need for "social distancing"... if little Johnny picks up the virus and doesn't get very sick with it, he can carry it over to gramps house and when he hugs old gramps who has a compromised immune system...it could be extremely bad for gramps and little Johnny could lose him forever. When I refer to the "crazy over reaction" I am not talking about the just plain craziness displayed by some people who think they need 1,000 rolls of toilet paper and 200 bottles of hand sanitizer; but, rather the schools, sporting events, Disneyland, etc. closing down and/or resorting to online college classes, etc. -- those who are initiating the "social distancing" and hopefully people will realize the necessity and will act accordingly and take to heart the advice being distributed by the experts..

It will be too late to contain the virus if hundreds of thousands or even millions get exposed and sick...the need is to get in front of it and fight it, not fight it from behind. And while the school kid, the college kid, the 20- 30- 40-somethings are likely to survive it without much fallout, many of their elderly parents, grandparents and chronically ill siblings aren't.


What you may refer to as crazy over reaction , I consider due diligence. I am not getting near any people for the next month or two, I will go to my necessary destinations and avoid all contact especially with people caviler about the seriousness of this SUSPECTED Chinese Bio weapon Attack.
and if it gets bad I'm gonna be a zombie slaying MF that survives intact and on top.
I have, The means to defend my stand against those less prepared and no qualms about using them.
We have essential supplies to last a couple of months as long as we have water and electric our household will not be disrupted.

And if we run out of toilet paper, we have water, the Penny Saver and the Palm coast Observer
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
The crazy that I refer to are those who are hoarding 1,000 rolls of toilet paper and 50 cases of water (like do they not have running water in their homes) and are sitting around in the local crowded bars bragging about their hoard of supplies while ignoring the science of "social distancing." I went back and read my post and see that I mistakenly wrote "not talking" when I meant the opposite (fixed in original post). I do agree that we need to stockpile an adequate amount of supplies. In my community there are those who are stepping forward and offered to help with watching children who will need childcare because the schools have closed and the parent(s) are required to work as well as to ensure that all kids who rely on free/reduced price meals at school get fed. Many have offered to shop for elderly, handicapped and those who need to stay home and not venture out. People are also offering up to help house out-of-state students at the local colleges that are requiring them to move out of the dorms.
 
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ROOT

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I think those "crazy bar fly hoarders" exist only in the imaginations of the left wing media hypothetical world. But then again I am not overly confident in the majority populations ability to be reasonable and rational.
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
I think those "crazy bar fly hoarders" exist only in the imaginations of the left wing media hypothetical world. But then again I am not overly confident in the majority populations ability to be reasonable and rational.
Denial is a river in Egypt.

 

sundealer

Founder
Nice crowds at the flea markets over the weekends.
Plenty of vendors selling TP, sanitizer and cleaning products. Yeah they were marked up a bit but nor outrageous.
 

sundealer

Founder
FL has 21 million people. 149 confirmed cases.
Can someone help with the math to show how this is overwhelming the hospital system?
Lots of hypochondriacs are the ones wasting the test and time of medical staff!!
 

sundealer

Founder
Where's this virus going to go after this BS lock down?
Do people just think it's gonna vanish? Won't it once again create the 'overwhelming' effect for the hospitals?
Why aren't those questions being answered?
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
FL has 21 million people. 149 confirmed cases.
Can someone help with the math to show how this is overwhelming the hospital system?
Lots of hypochondriacs are the ones wasting the test and time of medical staff!!
As “they” say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

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KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
Where's this virus going to go after this BS lock down?
Do people just think it's gonna vanish? Won't it once again create the 'overwhelming' effect for the hospitals?
Why aren't those questions being answered?
Slowing down the rate of growth gives “them” time to come up with vaccines and cures and learning how to best treat the sick. Think plague, polio, smallpox...
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
Here is another graph showing just how fast the virus spreads...this was as of March 13, just 3 days ago and there were 2,179 reported cases.

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And then, on today March 16th, and the day is not over, there is just 7 shy of 4,100 confirmed cases.

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Of all these cases, how many people do you suppose they came into contact with over the past 2 weeks and then those people came into contact with...and on and on and on? There could literally be millions of people who are incubating the virus who are not yet symptomatic, or are but haven yet sought medical care. Remember only a very small percentage of people have been tested, so that no indication of how many people are carrying the virus around in their bodies.

There is a woman here in Conway who said that her adult daughter has all the symptoms and she was told she would not be tested because there is an extreme shortage of available testing equipment and she has not been exposed to anyone who has tested positive—what the hell kind of crap is that? She could have been exposed to a hundred people who are positive but not sick. If everyone has not been tested there is no way to know if she was exposed. That is stupid thinking. She was tested for the regular flu, streptococcus and was negative. She has a fever of 102 - 103 degrees, a sore throat and hacking cough.
 

sundealer

Founder
There are 300 million people in the US.
4000 confirmed. How many were tested??
160 deaths. How many were over sixty with health problems? How many have recovered??
Even Hanks and Wilson, with their underlying health problems, have been released from the hospital!

If you know you are vulnerable, STAY HOME.
Put up a sign "NO VISITORS"
Everything one needs can be ordered by phone and delivered. EVERYTHING!!

Hiding in our homes will not make it go away.
The only ones overwhelming the medical system are those that are panicking.
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
There are 300 million people in the US.
4000 confirmed. How many were tested??
160 deaths. How many were over sixty with health problems? How many have recovered??
Even Hanks and Wilson, with their underlying health problems, have been released from the hospital!

If you know you are vulnerable, STAY HOME.
Put up a sign "NO VISITORS"
Everything one needs can be ordered by phone and delivered. EVERYTHING!!

Hiding in our homes will not make it go away.
The only ones overwhelming the medical system are those that are panicking.
What is it you know that the medical field experts don't know?
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
I'm pretty resilient to infection, but almost losing Napmaster 2 years back I'm just going to be as isolated as possible to reduce the numbers within my means. I already had a 24hr virus last week that took my energy levels down. IF we thought about this in terms of the plague, killing rats may not have eliminated the pathogen but it certainly would reduce the intensity of infections and slow the harm to more manageable levels. I appears to myself that delaying the inevitable exposure certainly buffers the infrastructure load.
And yes panic is not helpful, its unfortunate to see the stupidly that includes those who partied over the weekend. we would have been included in the 40k Americans who were caught abroad, we decided to cancel our trip to France2 weeks before the infections exploded in Europe, we would. Have flown out March 3 and returned the same day as the European ban went into effect. tickets were non refundable, hotel deposits and attraction packages are good for a year, but might as well be considered a loss. I have to go out today and work on a job, but I'll not be making contact with any people. I'm actually fine with social distancing, I prefer my own company to that of most others anyhow. I do miss my daily visits with my best friend who is often a window to the rest of the world. However his large household of germ sponges makes those visits to risky until we can be sure that none were exposed before isolation. I am terrified that Napmaster and 3 of our children will be exposed daily as a medical field employees. He is torn between his obligations and the fact the hospital has grown to expect his 14 to 17hr days without overtime. I am insisting he limits his exposure to 8hrs a day. But every night it's a challenge to get him to walk away. I am comforted only because I know that God has always covered our ass and he will continue to provide the path to our destiny as he sees fit.
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
I'm pretty resilient to infection, but almost losing Napmaster 2 years back I'm just going to be as isolated as possible to reduce the numbers within my means. I already had a 24hr virus last week that took my energy levels down. IF we thought about this in terms of the plague, killing rats may not have eliminated the pathogen but it certainly would reduce the intensity of infections and slow the harm to more manageable levels. I appears to myself that delaying the inevitable exposure certainly buffers the infrastructure load.
And yes panic is not helpful, its unfortunate to see the stupidly that includes those who partied over the weekend. we would have been included in the 40k Americans who were caught abroad, we decided to cancel our trip to France2 weeks before the infections exploded in Europe, we would. Have flown out March 3 and returned the same day as the European ban went into effect. tickets were non refundable, hotel deposits and attraction packages are good for a year, but might as well be considered a loss. I have to go out today and work on a job, but I'll not be making contact with any people. I'm actually fine with social distancing, I prefer my own company to that of most others anyhow. I do miss my daily visits with my best friend who is often a window to the rest of the world. However his large household of germ sponges makes those visits to risky until we can be sure that none were exposed before isolation. I am terrified that Napmaster and 3 of our children will be exposed daily as a medical field employees. He is torn between his obligations and the fact the hospital has grown to expect his 14 to 17hr days without overtime. I am insisting he limits his exposure to 8hrs a day. But every night it's a challenge to get him to walk away. I am comforted only because I know that God has always covered our ass and he will continue to provide the path to our destiny as he sees fit.
I understand your concern for. Napmaster...May he and your kids stay safe. I agree with you that panic doesn’t help...I think too many are confusing panic with being smart. Some people seem to think that because they aren’t in the more vulnerable groups that they have no obligation to help make sure that their actions don’t bring harm to those who are.
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
It appears that the news isn't so great for some of those not considered vulnerable after all.


A Belgian doctor working to battle the coronavirus says he’s treated several seriously ill young patients — and their lung scans were “nothing short of terrifying,” according to reports.

Dr. Ignace Demeyer, who works at a hospital in Aalst, said an increasing number of people between the ages of 30 and 50 have presented with severe symptoms, despite having “blank medical records” that show no underlying conditions that would make them high-risk, the Brussels Times reported.

“They just walk in, but they are terribly affected by the virus,” Demeyer told the Belgian broadcaster VRT.

He said CT scans indicated they were suffering from severe lung damage.

“The images we took yesterday are nothing short of terrifying,” the doctor told the station.

“They are people who do not smoke, who have no other conditions such as diabetes or heart failure,” Demeyer added.
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ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
Have I missed trump’s apology for spending weeks of precious time calling the Coronavirus and the potential destruction and grief it could and is causing many people in this country a Democratic hoax perpetrated just to make him look bad?
No you just missed the point of a leader keeping a calm face while his experts assess the situation and develop a stradegy. were is the apologies for the last 3 years of obstruction and fake news. and what about one for the criticism of banning flights from China in January. I don't think he was ever cavalier and I don't pay attention to the left spin at all any longer.
The entire DNC party is no longer a factor, it has the importance of a mental patient in the larger picture. They won't win back seats in many many districts, I suspect that the progressives and moderate's will be forming a new party or joining the neo-republicans who are the trump base.
 

R2D2

Cracker Droid
This is from my daughter in NY, an RN currently working for the local school district

C virus explained by a nurse: “Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

“Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

“Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

“Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..
H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

“Fast forward to Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

“And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs. That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is very slippery.And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
“We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

“Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.”



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KathyInAR

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This is an excellent explanation of the who, what, where, why and how of the current guidelines and why they are so important.


 
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