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KathyInAR

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Idiots walk amongst us...



And for those who wrongly suggest that COVID-19 is no worse than the average flu...

 

KathyInAR

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I would happily read a 1,000-page book of his essays.

Dental appointments in Spring and Summer of 2020...

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KathyInAR

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Guess the requirement/expectation/obligation to "obey orders" is only for some people, not everyone or even most...

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<black kid murdered by self-appointed neighborhood patrol while walking home from a store with some candy>

Well, he should have obeyed orders. He shouldn't have resisted. Stand your ground!

<black kid gunned down by cops while sitting in a playground playing with a toy>
Well, he shouldn't have looked dangerous. He should have obeyed orders.

<black man murdered by white vigilantes while jogging on a public road>

Well, he should have obeyed their commands. Simple as that. That's the law.

<Etcetera>

<Etcetera>

<Etcetera>

<white woman violates orders and the law, ENDANGERS THE PUBLIC, is politely arrested, public outrage, State apologizes, actually changes the orders to allow it, and she opens a beauty salon so Ted Cruz can have a haircut.>

Freeeeeedom!

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Fast Forward The news you need for the day ahead by Teresa Hanafin

Wednesday, May 13 | Follow Teresa Hanafin on Twitter



I really don't know or understand when and why the Republican Party and so many conservatives embraced anti-intellectualism, but this wholesale rejection of science during this pandemic isn't just disturbing; it's getting dangerous.

First, the attacks and threats on Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top expert on infectious diseases, got so bad several weeks ago that he had to have private security protect him.

After his testimony before a Senate committee yesterday, he's going to need bulletproof full-body armor.

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul set the tone by insulting Fauci, telling him he didn't think "you're the end-all" and "the one person that gets to make a decision," as though the modest Fauci had never suggested that even once.

Fox News' opinion hosts gleefully picked up the cudgel. Tucker Carlson called Fauci the "chief buffoon." Sean Hannity said Fauci "seems to favor what the Democrats want and that is massive restrictions with no end in sight." Laura Ingraham pointed out that "no one elected him to anything."

Sure, they all paid lip service to Fauci's expertise and dedication before skewering him, but the message was clear: Just ignore this guy because he's following the science instead of bowing and scraping before Doctor Donald.

There are some conservatives who disagree: Lindsey Graham, Lynn Cheney, and Mitt Romney have all voiced support for Fauci. Hardly enough.

This anti-science attitude is clearly bleeding into the cheap seats.

Earlier this month, a security guard asked two guys who entered a Target store in Los Angeles to put on a mask or leave. They punched him and then broke his arm.

Protestors at anti-lockdown rallies have walked up to within inches of the faces of reporters wearing masks and screamed at them.

Maskless walkers and drivers are shouting vile and vulgar slurs at those wearing masks.

In Illinois, a guy with a hunting knife strapped on dared the employees of a grocery store to try to stop him from shopping without a mask. Another maskless guy ripped the glasses off a store employee, knocked over a display, and hurled a canteloupe at a worker. One guy threatened to go get a gun out of his car and shoot the employee who asked him to wear a mask.

And in Owosso, Mich., an armed militia stood outside a barber shop Monday that opened in defiance of state orders, pledging to protect the owner if police arrived. Dozens of people joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags.

So what's the game plan, boys? You going to open fire and mow down cops now?

I'm done.
 

sundealer

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“Stupid is as stupid does.”

Fast Forward The news you need for the day ahead by Teresa Hanafin
Wednesday, May 13 | Follow Teresa Hanafin on Twitter



I really don't know or understand when and why the Republican Party and so many conservatives embraced anti-intellectualism, but this wholesale rejection of science during this pandemic isn't just disturbing; it's getting dangerous.

First, the attacks and threats on Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top expert on infectious diseases, got so bad several weeks ago that he had to have private security protect him.

After his testimony before a Senate committee yesterday, he's going to need bulletproof full-body armor.

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul set the tone by insulting Fauci, telling him he didn't think "you're the end-all" and "the one person that gets to make a decision," as though the modest Fauci had never suggested that even once.

Fox News' opinion hosts gleefully picked up the cudgel. Tucker Carlson called Fauci the "chief buffoon." Sean Hannity said Fauci "seems to favor what the Democrats want and that is massive restrictions with no end in sight." Laura Ingraham pointed out that "no one elected him to anything."

Sure, they all paid lip service to Fauci's expertise and dedication before skewering him, but the message was clear: Just ignore this guy because he's following the science instead of bowing and scraping before Doctor Donald.

There are some conservatives who disagree: Lindsey Graham, Lynn Cheney, and Mitt Romney have all voiced support for Fauci. Hardly enough.

This anti-science attitude is clearly bleeding into the cheap seats. There is no science since they are still working on trying to figure the virus out. It's all a crap shoot right now.

Earlier this month, a security guard asked two guys who entered a Target store in Los Angeles to put on a mask or leave. They punched him and then broke his arm. WRONG! They need to be prosecuted.

Protestors at anti-lockdown rallies have walked up to within inches of the faces of reporters wearing masks and screamed at them. The reporters wearing mask have nothing to worry about if they think masks work.

Maskless walkers and drivers are shouting vile and vulgar slurs at those wearing masks. Sticks and stones will break some bones but names from people you don't know and will never see again won't hurt you.

In Illinois, a guy with a hunting knife strapped on dared the employees of a grocery store to try to stop him from shopping without a mask. Another maskless guy ripped the glasses off a store employee, knocked over a display, and hurled a canteloupe at a worker. One guy threatened to go get a gun out of his car and shoot the employee who asked him to wear a mask. WRONG. they should go to jail.

And in Owosso, Mich., an armed militia stood outside a barber shop Monday that opened in defiance of state orders, pledging to protect the owner if police arrived. Dozens of people joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags. Defiance is how this country was started.

So what's the game plan, boys? You going to open fire and mow down cops now? Remember Kent State.

I'm done.
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I really don't know or understand
when and why the Republican Party and so many conservatives embraced anti-intellectualism, but this wholesale rejection of science during this pandemic isn't just disturbing; it's getting dangerous.

First, the attacks and threats on Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top expert on infectious diseases, got so bad several weeks ago that he had to have private security protect him.

After his testimony before a Senate committee yesterday, he's going to need bulletproof full-body armor.

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul set the tone by insulting Fauci, telling him he didn't think "you're the end-all" and "the one person that gets to make a decision," as though the modest Fauci had never suggested that even once.

Fox News' opinion hosts gleefully picked up the cudgel. Tucker Carlson called Fauci the "chief buffoon." Sean Hannity said Fauci "seems to favor what the Democrats want and that is massive restrictions with no end in sight." Laura Ingraham pointed out that "no one elected him to anything."

Sure, they all paid lip service to Fauci's expertise and dedication before skewering him, but the message was clear: Just ignore this guy because he's following the science instead of bowing and scraping before Doctor Donald.

There are some conservatives who disagree: Lindsey Graham, Lynn Cheney, and Mitt Romney have all voiced support for Fauci. Hardly enough.

This anti-science attitude is clearly bleeding into the cheap seats. There is no science since they are still working on trying to figure the virus out. It's all a crap shoot right now. There is indeed science, it is called "medical science" and there are people who are educated in and experienced in same...but, yes there is new stuff coming out everyday and most of it is not good and just further proves that this should be taken seriously and steps put into place to protect the population. And people have to decide if life and the health of our people are more important than sacrificing them for the sake of the Stock Market where the very rich get even richer while the common man and woman of this country ends up with lung damage, heart damage, kidney damage, etc. or worse. We know which side the deplorable trump is on...don't be like trump, be better than that asshole!

Earlier this month, a security guard asked two guys who entered a Target store in Los Angeles to put on a mask or leave. They punched him and then broke his arm. WRONG! They need to be prosecuted. Of course we are in agreement here.

Protestors at anti-lockdown rallies have walked up to within inches of the faces of reporters wearing masks and screamed at them. The reporters wearing mask have nothing to worry about if they think masks work. How many times does it have to be said that the mask is to protect others from those who could be shedding the virus without even knowing they are infected because they are asymptomatic? 100 times? 1,000 times? 5,000 times? It appears that no matter how many times it is said, some people will not "get it." Or, IMO they "get it" they simply don't care.

Maskless walkers and drivers are shouting vile and vulgar slurs at those wearing masks. Sticks and stones will break some bones but names from people you don't know and will never see again won't hurt you. This is the proof that proves that there are stupid, bigoted*, and deplorables just like their disgusting POS dear leader who encourages and supports this kind of behavior...after all, this is the very example that he shows them. Why do these POS people think it is any business of theirs that people choose to protect others, even their sorry asses from inadvertently becoming infected?

In Illinois, a guy with a hunting knife strapped on dared the employees of a grocery store to try to stop him from shopping without a mask. Another maskless guy ripped the glasses off a store employee, knocked over a display, and hurled a canteloupe at a worker. One guy threatened to go get a gun out of his car and shoot the employee who asked him to wear a mask. WRONG. they should go to jail. Again, of course we are in agreement here.

And in Owosso, Mich., an armed militia stood outside a barber shop Monday that opened in defiance of state orders, pledging to protect the owner if police arrived. Dozens of people joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags. Defiance is how this country was started. And we gained the land on which to build this country by killing and running the native Americas of the land we wanted. Should we do that again, so we can take the lands where their reservations are located? Should we reinstate slavery because it is also in our past and made many plantation owners rich because they could force them to live and work in deplorable conditions and didn't have to pay them? Have we not evolved into a country of laws? With courts to decide those issues where the two sides are in disagreement? The country was also "started" with a Constitution that trump thumbs his nose at, with the approval of many of his supporters. Why is that?

So what's the game plan, boys? You going to open fire and mow down cops now? Remember Kent State. The only comparison that I see here is that there were two sides facing off and one side fired and "mowed down" others. That time was the "government" mowing down protesters who were unarmed and no threat to them. A definite black mark on "the government" at that time. Are you suggesting that when a LEO tries to serve a warrant or enforce legal orders a vigilante militia opening fire on the LEO is justified?

I'm done.

*The use of "bigoted" in this statement is not in reference to race alone--it references the hate shown to others for many reasons that encompass political position/thoughts, sexual orientation, sex, religious affiliation or not, pro-choice or pro-life, etc.
 

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sundealer

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That article just compared 2 different types of groups.
Those that showed up and those that hide behind a computer keyboard.
They are NOT one in the same!!
 

KathyInAR

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That article just compared 2 different types of groups.
Those that showed up and those that hide behind a computer keyboard.
They are NOT one in the same!!
So, I don't understand your point... they can certainly be equally disgusting, deplorable and possibly dangerous... the difference being that you can't "shoot, beat, lynch or behead" from a keyboard or twitter; however, you can most certainly encourage and support a nut who would attend the protest and mingle in and amongst those who are lawfully protesting to do the deed. People who think like that and are willing to put it out on the Internet or speak it could be potentially dangerous and it certainly says an awful lot about them, none of it good. Think: Charlottesville Don't underestimate a bunch of deplorable and deranged people in large groups, whether in person or online.
 

KathyInAR

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That article just compared 2 different types of groups.
Those that showed up and those that hide behind a computer keyboard.
They are NOT one in the same!!
So, I don't understand your point... they can certainly be equally disgusting, deplorable and possibly dangerous... the difference being that you can't "shoot, beat, lynch or behead" from a keyboard or twitter; however, you can most certainly encourage and support a nut who would attend the protest and mingle in and amongst those who are lawfully protesting to do the deed. People who think like that and are willing to put it out on the Internet or speak it could be potentially dangerous and it certainly says an awful lot about them, none of it good. Think: Charlottesville Don't underestimate a bunch of deplorable and deranged people in large groups, whether in person or online.
It would appear there really isn't much or any difference in these kinds of people, whether they appear in person or on the Internet.

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A noose, an ax and Trump-inspired insults: Anti-lockdown protesters ratchet up violent rhetoric
By
Katie Shepherd and
Moriah Balingit
May 15, 2020 at 5:26 a.m. CDT

Rain drizzled as a crowd of about 200 people gathered in front of the Michigan State Capitol in Lansing on Thursday to urge Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) to lift coronavirus restrictions. The protesters — some carrying guns, few wearing masks — held up signs that said, “Stop Whitmer now,” and, “Dangerous safety is better than safe tyranny.” These people, along with trump, seem to feel that a certain number (I can't help but wonder what that number is) of people should be willing and expect to be sacrificed to ensure the economy is "good"--are they willing to sacrifice their older parents, a spouse with cancer and undergoing chemo, their child with chronic asthma--or just your older parents, spouse with cancer undergoing chemo, your child with chronic asthma, of just you should you find yourself at high-risk?

Near the capitol steps, one man had strung an American flag onto a fishing rod. Below the flag, a brunette doll dangled from a noose tied to the pole. When another protester reached to grab the doll, a fight broke out. A video captured people wrestling over the flag and doll, shoving one another and shouting. Nearby, two people struggled over an ax.

“Where is capitol police right now?” a woman can be heard shouting into a microphone in a video published by MLive. “We have an issue, can we have the police come up to the steps please? Where are the cops?”

Violent rhetoric appears to be increasingly common among people protesting stay-at-home orders amid a coronavirus pandemic that has killed 85,000 and sickened 1.4 million people in the United States. At another Thursday protest in Commack, N.Y., Long Island protesters waved Trump 2020 banners and one held a sign that read, “Hang Fauci. Hang Gates. Open all our states.”

Michigan State Police eventually responded to the fight over the hanging doll. They said no injuries were reported, and troopers did not make any arrests. Officers said they confiscated an ax.

State lawmakers had already canceled their legislative meetings for the day, in anticipation of armed protesters storming the capitol. Similar demonstrations disrupted the state’s legislature on April 30, as people, some armed with rifles, staged an occupation of the state capitol building.

Policymakers’ anxieties over safety had been heightened in recent days by reports of physical threats within private Facebook groups where the protests were planned.

The naked doll hanging from the noose reflected recent threats against Whitmer. The Detroit Metro Times reported dozens of posts that called for the Michigan governor to be hanged.

The Long Island protest also grew heated when a reporter for News 12 Long Island walked through an aggressive crowd. People jeered “you are the virus” as the journalist walked past. A group broke out into a chant: “Fake news is not essential.” One man followed reporter Kevin Vesey as he tried to keep six feet between himself and the unmasked protester.

“I think you need to back away from me, sir,” Vesey said from behind the camera.

“No, I’ve got hydroxychloroquine, I’m fine,” the man answered, referencing an anti-malaria drug President Trump had promoted in the early weeks of the pandemic. The protester, wearing a red Make America Great Again hat and a Trump campaign T-shirt, continued to move closer to Vesey, following the reporter as he backed away.

The anti-press sentiments echoed the president’s war on the media, which he has long waged on his Twitter account, at his news briefings and in his campaign speeches. This week, he sparred with reporters asking questions about his pandemic response, calling a question “nasty” and even stalking off after two female journalists challenged him at a news briefing on Monday. Just like most spoiled brats, when they don't get their way or are challenged and know they can't win they skulk away.

Trump has also thrown his support behind the anti-lockdown protesters, who often sport flags, signs, banners, hats and T-shirts promoting his reelection campaign. He encourages this behavior, and if people get injured or die in the process, so be it--trump thinks he is deserving of the "sacrifice." With his campaign rallies suspended for the time being, some of the protests have become pseudo-rallies for his most devoted followers.

As the president has done, some of the protesters in Michigan questioned the scientific merit of shutdown restrictions. Just because they are too stupid to understand it, doesn't mean that it is without merit. Sometimes, people have to accept that they don't know everything and gut feelings and ignorance is no excuse to be stupid. In interviews Thursday, some protesters said the outbreak is milder and less dangerous than public officials made it out to be, and that hospitals were inflating death tolls to get money. Wanting something to be true and it actually being true are not the same thing. E.g., trump stupidly saying basically, to paraphrase him, that when testing is done it finds people who have COVID-19 (suggesting, that if there was no testing there would be no cases of COVID-19).

Kassandra Cochrane, 25, drove four hours from Oscoda, Mich., to attend the Lansing rally.

“I think it’s awesome that [Wisconsin] is opened back up and I think Michigan should do the same thing,” she said. “I believe that the virus is real but it’s not as bad as they make it out to be.” Her "belief" doesn't make it so, in fact, science and reality prove just the opposite. "Wisconsin sees third-highest single-day COVID-19 case increase as safer-at-home order ends" (Headline from *)

On May 1, Trump called the armed protesters who took guns into the Michigan Capitol building “very good people.He knows this how exactly? Supporting him doesn't automatically make anyone a "very good person." He has often challenged the governors who have implemented stringent social distancing policies, calling toLIBERATE” states like Michigan, Virginia and Minnesota. Eventually, if/when someone dies over this kind of activity, he will again have blood on his hands which he will deny he is in anyway responsible.

Trump has also cheered on states that have chosen to partially reopen, despite not meeting federal guidelines that call for a phased-in return to normalcy as the outbreak eases over time.

“Good numbers coming out of States that are opening,” Trump said on Twitter Thursday morning. “America is getting its life back! Vaccine work is looking VERY promising, before end of year. Likewise, other solutions!”

On Thursday, the president retweeted a video of a Florida man ranting against “blue states” that still have restrictions on restaurants and bars as he ate a meal with friends, without masks, in a crowded public dining area.

“While the rest of the country is still freaking out, especially in blue states, look at this,” the man said in the video shared by the president, “Look at this. I’m at a bar/restaurant. We’re all having a good time. Not a single face mask.”

Moriah Balingit reported from Lansing, Mich.
*https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2020/05/14/wisconsin-coronavirus-373-new-cases-safer-home-order-ends/5190343002/
 

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sundealer

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Once again, another fearmonger gives the public a shiny object that has nothing to do with the ruling.
Yes the case might have gone up but we all know testing takes a few days.
 

KathyInAR

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Once again, another fearmonger gives the public a shiny object that has nothing to do with the ruling.
Yes the case might have gone up but we all know testing takes a few days.
Did you forget about the famous 5-minute test that only misses positive results nearly 50% of the time? The test only misses positive results .02% of the time. Therefore, common sense tells us that there probably are more than the 500 reported new cases during this one day...never mind that not everyone in the state was tested. And do you think those who immediately ran out and sat shoulder-to-shoulder to others on bar stools had been practicing safe social distancing and such before the court decision...remember that they were out in the streets demonstrating and protesting prior.


Of course the idiot trump cheers the Wisconsin court decision, not caring one iota if more people get sick and die...


Do you also subscribe to the trump theory that if they would just stop testing, then there would be no new cases? Sounds like "head in the sand" thinking to me. Yup, the current trump cult way of thinking, if you don't like the facts--just disregard them as "fake" and call the bearer of such news names... it is much easier that way and one can continue to say the emperor is wearing beautiful new clothes while the reality is he is naked and ugly.

The way the cult see's trump:

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While the reality is:

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Reality star charged with spending funds from federal small business program on jewelry, Rolls-Royce
Agents arrested Maurice “Mo” Fayne, from “Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta,” for allegedly misusing a coronavirus stimulus loan. He is fighting the charges in court.
By
Jonathan O'Connell
May 16, 2020 at 10:22 a.m. CDT

Eighty-five thousand dollars in jewelry. A 2019 Rolls-Royce Wraith luxury coupe. Forty-thousand dollars in child support payments.
Maurice “Mo” Fayne, a trucking company owner who appears regularly on the reality show “Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta,” has been charged with using more than $1.5 million in Small Business Administration stimulus funds to enrich himself rather than for paying workers and small business expenses as the program requires.

According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Georgia, Fayne is the sole owner of a Georgia corporation called Flame Trucking that received a $2 million bank loan through the SBA’s relief package for small businesses, the Paycheck Protection Program.

On May 13 Fayne was arrested and then charged with bank fraud. Prosecutors alleged he used more than $1.5 million on unauthorized purchases including the car, jewelry and child support.

“The defendant allegedly took advantage of the emergency lending provisions of the Paycheck Protection Program that were intended to assist employees and small businesses battered by the Coronavirus,” said U.S. Attorney Byung J. “BJay” Pak. “We will investigate and charge anyone who inappropriately diverts these critical funds for their own personal gain.”
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Fayne’s lawyer, Atlanta attorney Tanya Miller, says he will fight the charges. She issued a statement to The Post saying that she would not try the case through the media and that the government needed to clear up confusion about the stimulus program’s rules.

“We will provide the appropriate response in the proper forum once all the information has been provided to us,” said Miller in the statement. “There has been considerable confusion among small business owners about PPP guidelines — particularly around the question of whether and how business owners are permitted to pay themselves a salary or owner’s draw. This ambiguity and confusion for business owners needs to be addressed immediately as the PPP program is still in its infancy.”

Although some PPP applicants have had difficulty navigating the program’s rules and some larger employers have decided to return funds, Fayne is charged with using the money for much different purposes than he allegedly stated on his application.
...
This guy, if found guilty, should spend a good part of his immediate future behind bars. Hopefully, the Treasury Dept and other pertinent agencies did their jobs well and adequately promulgated the CARES Act and subsequent Acts appropriately. I understand the need for speed, but things still must be made clear and haste does really make waste. I have no idea how those "big businesses companies" ended up with about 3/4 of the monies allocated, in the CARES Act, for small businesses except that the law was not applied appropriately. I recall reading somewhere that only $85 billion of the $349 billion allocated to small businesses were paid out in the first go-round, the rest going to big businesses. Then a second allocation of small business (PPP) monies in the Amount of $185 billions was passed.


Stage 9: The Law is Implemented and Enforced

Regulatory Activity
The legislative process does not stop once a bill becomes law. Many laws must be put into effect, or implemented, by an agency of the executive branch. Through a delegation of his authority, the President makes an agency responsible for implementing the law. The agency then can issue administrative regulations explaining how it intends to put the law into effect and/or what a citizen must do to comply with the law.

Not surprisingly, the political agenda of the Administration influences this process, particularly when Congress is controlled by a different party than that of the executive branch. The President, as head of the executive branch, is not required to implement any law; one way to slow the process of implementation is not to promulgate regulations.

The regulatory process is fairly straightforward compared to the legislative process. It is governed by one law, the "Administrative Procedure Act of 1946", and there is only one official source in which all phases of the regulatory process are reported—the daily Federal Register. There are many steps along the regulatory process.

  • An agency can, but is not required to, issue an "advance notice of proposed rule making" (ANPRM), discussing its intention to issue a regulation. This discussion may include a general summary of the agency's proposal, but will not include specific language.
  • Following the advance notice or as a first step in the regulatory promulgation process, an agency then publishes a "notice of proposed rule making" (NPRM), containing the proposed rule and requesting comments.
  • After reviewing the comments received, the agency may, but is not required to, issue a "final rule making". The preamble to the final rule in the Federal Register often includes a summary or analysis of the comments received during the comment period.
Regulations in effect are codified annually and issued quarterly in the subject-organized Code of Federal Regulations available on LexisNexis® Congressional.
 

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By return do the mean to the corrals in the parking lot or back inside the store?
I take it to mean "returned" to where the store intends...and surely the designated place in the parking lot would surely meet the standard of "returning" the cart to its proper place. By doing so, the cart is not left in a parking spot intended for a vehicle, left/shoved/blown into the driving aisle or where it could be blown/pushed into someone's vehicle causing damage.
 

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SUPREME COURT
MAY 19, 2020 / 4:23 PM / UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO
Plaintiff in Roe v. Wade U.S. abortion case says she was paid to switch sides

Jill Serjeant
3 MIN READ

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Norma McCorvey, the woman known as “Jane Roe” in the landmark 1973 U.S. Supreme Court Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion, said she was lying when she switched to support the anti-abortion movement, saying she had been paid to do so.
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The Rev. Robert Schenck, one of the evangelical pastors who worked with McCorvey after her conversion to Christianity in the mid-1990s, looked stunned as he was shown her interview as part of the documentary.

Schenck said the anti-abortion movement had exploited her weaknesses for its own ends and acknowledged she had been paid for her appearances on the movement’s behalf.

“What we did with Norma was highly unethical,” Schenck said in the documentary. “The jig is up.”
...

“Her name and photo would command some of the largest windfalls of dollars for my group and many others, but the money we gave her was modest. More than once, I tried to make up for it with an added check, but it was never fair.”
 

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So who paid her?
Article kinda skipped over that part.
Rev Robert Schncek who was part of the “anti-abortion movement“ admitted his “group” paid her; and, used her to raise money for “his group.”

Additionally, after GOOGLE search, I found the below linked article wherein it states that an evangelical-founded anti-choice organization calling itself, “Operation Rescue“ was founded by Rev Robert Schncek and others.

 

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John Holder
May17 9:31 PM

“Pro-life” people in Texas, riddle me this: As of today, Covid-19 case counts and death counts are still climbing here in the “Great State.” So how can you people simultaneously be AGAINST abortion rights and FOR opening up the state’s businesses when doing so practically guarantees an upswing in infections and deaths?

What am I missing here? Do you only care about “life” when it’s prenatal... but NOT when it involves actually born consumers who spend money stimulating the economy?

To paraphrase Jim Wright: “Sorry about your grandma, Timmy, but we need to focus on second-quarter corporate earnings.”

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The question can also be turned around.
How can the Democrats want everyone to stay home to save lives yet consider Planned Parenthood an essential business?
It’s worth pointing out that an abortion is an elective medical procedure, something that cannot be said for someone who is afflicted by contagion and dies. Which were stopped so the hospital system wouldn't be overwhelmed!!
 

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The question can also be turned around.
How can the Democrats want everyone to stay home to save lives yet consider Planned Parenthood an essential business?
It’s worth pointing out that an abortion is an elective medical procedure, something that cannot be said for someone who is afflicted by contagion and dies. Which were stopped so the hospital system wouldn't be overwhelmed!!
Of course abortions are an elective medical procedure; however, time is often of the essence (especially where there are strict limits on a time frame that they can be done). And aren't abortions usually done in a non-hospital environment but rather a clinic designated for that purpose? Speaking of "elective procedures"; I am having a genicular nerve ablation being done this morning at the hospital. The pain clinic where I have been going for them for several years now sold out to the local hospital and they moved it to the out-patient surgical wing of the hospital about 2 & 1/2 years ago. Arkansas was never on a "lock down" order...there were various businesses order to shut down...but, not general retail. Many retail stores did close, but it was not ordered by the government. Beauty salons, barbershops, dine-in restaurants, tattoo shops and those type of close human-to-human contact places were ordered closed. My DIL's furniture store stayed open as did many of the locally owned businesses.
 

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The shut downs were Governor ordered not Federal like most seem to think.
I don’t think most think that...it was emphasized over and over that different states had different requirements. I am sure that some and even many might have thought that, but not most. Some people will believe any lie and/or are either inherently uninformed, ignorant or stupid.

On a side note, I gotta say that I have a new appreciation for those people in the medical arenas, workers in grocery stores, retail and pharmacy workers and all others who are required to wear a mask during their entire work shifts. It is hot and uncomfortable...they do it for hours and hours at a time. Today during my knee procedure I had to wear a mask from 8 am - 10:40 am. Don’t be wimps—wear the damn mask for the few minutes you might be required to while running into Kroger to grab a rotisserie chicken, and be thankful you aren’t having to wear one for hours at a stretch.
 

KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
When listening to the jealous lying trump about Obama, remember that...

What are the best things Obama did for the U.S.?

The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.

General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind
, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $8o billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest.

While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11.

Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans.

He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth.

Due to Obama’s regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half.

He signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women to sue employers for unequal pay.

His Omnibus Public Lands Management Act designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, creating thousands of miles of trails and protecting over 1,000 miles of rivers.

He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.

For all the inadequacies of the Affordable Care Act, we seem to have forgotten that, before the ACA, you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and kids could not stay on their parents’ policies up to age 26.

Obama approved a $14.5 billion system to rebuild the levees in New Orleans.

All this, even as our own Mitch McConnell famously asserted that his singular mission would be to block anything President Obama tried to do.

While Obama failed on his campaign pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, that prison’s population decreased from 242 to around 50.

He expanded funding for embryonic stem cell research, supporting groundbreaking advancement in areas like spinal injury treatment and cancer.

Credit card companies can no longer charge hidden fees or raise interest rates without advance notice.


Most years, Obama threw a 4th of July party for military families. He held babies, played games with children, served barbecue, and led the singing of “Happy Birthday” to his daughter Malia, who was born on July 4.

Welfare spending is down: for every 100 poor families, just 24 receive cash assistance, compared with 64 in 1996.

Obama comforted families and communities following more than a dozen mass shootings. After Sandy Hook, he said, “The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.”

Yet, he never took away anyone’s guns
.
He sang Amazing Grace, spontaneously, at the altar.

He was the first president since Eisenhower to serve two terms without personal or political scandal.

He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

President Obama was not perfect, as no man and no president is, and you can certainly disagree with his political ideologies. But to say we suffered? If that’s the argument, if this is how we suffered for 8 years under Barack Obama, I have one wish: may we be so fortunate as to suffer 8 more.
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
If'n it wasn't for the reporters we wouldn't have any idea what those sum-a-bitches were up too.
Well that is the the way journalism works, unfortunately picking out the truth from so called reporters has become likened to picking the meat from a hickory nut.
 
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