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Question Palm Coast urban chicken program

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
Orlando is entering its third year allowing poultry in the city limit. Do you think we could get a serious discussion going to allow people to enjoy the benefits of keeping chickens?
"There have been absolutely no problems — no diseases, no issues to deal with," said Commissioner Patty Sheehan, who championed the measure and owns three chickens of her own. "This has been a very popular program."

So popular, in fact, that all of the original permits were spoken for within 24 hours. Chicken owners had varied reasons for signing up. Some said they were paying more attention to where their food comes from and how it is produced, and some treat their chickens as pets. The eggs taste better, too, they said.

Last year, some commissioners were skeptical of the program and opted out, so only those living in three of the six City Council districts were eligible to raise chickens. Commissioner Sam Ings has now added his district, but eastside residents in districts 1 and 2 remain outside the chicken zone.

Participants must attend a class to learn proper chicken care before they will be issued a permit. For information, contact the city's Planning Department at (407) 246-2269.

Orlando was the first city in Central Florida to allow chickens in residential areas. Since then, DeBary has adopted its own program, and it's being considered in Orange County, Lake County, Winter Park and Titusville.
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
:easter28b:I love to eat chicken!
yeah me too but we never ate ours and my other half would be horrified to eat something he had seen walking an squawking. we had a rooster for a while here, you might have seen him in my older Avitar. one day vince heard Dinner raising a fuss at the back door and when he went to see the matter he found a Bobcat after dinner and it didn't run when he came out. He had to beat it with a broom to make it go away. our neighbors told me they didn't mind the noise of his crow, they enjoyed it. Unfortunately Rose aka Gladys kravits didn't see the benefits of his eating bugs in her yard and she called animal control. I told them he appeared after the hurricanes 2005 and we just fed him. If she could catch him she could take him Lol she declined seeing the twinkle in my eyes and me reaching for the video camera. I knew he was fast and could fly pretty far. well we went out of town a few months later and that 90 year old woman trapped him and turned him in.
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
Planning ahead for incubating and hatching this season’s chickens
As the new year dawns, and we huddle by the fireplace waiting for the days to get longer (and warmer), it’s time to thumb through the catalogs and think spring! Here are a few ways to get a headstart if you’re going to hatch eggs this year.

Spring Cleaning. For the healthiest chicks, clean your incubator, hatcher, and brooder. Vacuum out all the accumulated down and dust, then clean with a sanitizing solution. Make your own with diluted detergent and 5% bleach, or buy a chlorinated kitchen and bath cleaner. For bonus points, disassemble the incubator to clean all the mechanical parts. Your incubator will thank you with longer life, and your chicks will thank you for not having to breathe in last year’s crud.

If you plan to let your hens do the hatching, clean and disinfect the nest boxes and surrounding areas. Consider fogging to kill any mites that “might” be living in nooks and crevices that you can’t clean.

Maintenance and Repairs. While you’re cleaning, lubricate moving parts, clean off rust, repair broken or missing parts, order new supplies, and plug in the equipment to make sure it’s working! Repair those nest boxes too.

Prepare for brooding. Do you have an enclosure or brooder that you use routinely? We’ve seen lots of creative enclosures! The simplest one for small flocks is the “cardboard box” brooder. Save up large cardboard boxes ahead of time, and order supplies such as wingbands.

Plan your matings. If you haven’t already done so, select which roosters and hens will be used as breeders. Pullets and hens that don’t make the cut can be kept as layers, just be sure to separate them before collecting hatching eggs. Roosters that won’t be used as breeders can be kept as pets, or richen the stew pot on cold winter days. Separate all the mating groups from each other at least one month before beginning to collect hatching eggs.
o Use the American Poultry Association’s Standard of Perfection to learn the ideal conformation for your breed, and The Livestock Conservancy’s guidelines for selecting breeders: http://www.livestockconservancy.org/index.php/heritage/internal/chicken-manual

What breed will you raise? If you like to order a different breed each year, or are thinking that now is the time to commit to conserving a single breed, check the Breed Comparison Chart to consider what breed is right for you. Orientals, Mediteranean, Game, and European breeds of chickens in general are especially in need of conservation. http://www.livestockconservancy.org/index.php/heritage/internal/chicken-chart

Finally, here is a handy guide for incubation:
http://albc-usa.etapwss.com/images/uploads/docs/PoultryIncubation.pdf
Wishing you all a healthy and productive hatching season!
-Alison
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
Duh! That's Orlando. Pardon me, I had a blonde moment.
Yeah it was a question
"Do you think we could get a serious discussion going to allow people to enjoy the benefits of keeping chickens?"

Would you Object to an urban poultry program such as Jacksonville and Orlando have?
I think it would ease apprehensions that west Flagler has about the city's encroachment on the agricultural traditions of the area. Without these kind of small concessions we will never see discussions of a new charter that would end the waste of duplicity in government waste.
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
Trueee I suppose, My mom personified them chickens have personality
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
Backyard chickens for the City of Cocoa on the ballot tomorrow. YES OR NO VOTE for chickens - details will be determined by Planning and Zoning later.
YES!! City of Cocoa
Non-Binding: Raising and Keeping of Chickens on Residential Property for Domestic Purposes
Should the City Council amend the City Code to allow, as a permitted use, the raising and keeping of chickens for domestic (non-commercial) purposes on residential property under certain terms and conditions to be determined by the City Council at a public hearing?
 

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sundealer

Founder
Just remember if you SELL extra eggs you now have become commercial and can't have the chickens in a residential area.
You can GIVE them away.
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
Preempt local jurisdictions on right of the people to form urban homesteads




Across the State of Florida every municipality has different rules and regulations for the keeping of backyard poultry, rabbits and gardening. Everyone should have the same right to know where their food comes from and have the same right to raise their own if they choose, without interference from local government. I believe we all have the right to raise our food in a safe and non abusive environment for the animals. This would not only be good for us as individuals, but the local economy would benefit, there would be a need for feed and veterinary services and local farmers markets would boom. There would also be a greater availability of non-GMO, heirloom foods, raised without pesticides and chemical fertilizers and it would allow us to raise food without fear of steroids, hormones, and antibiotics. We are asking you to make things equal for all Floridians, allow us to have backyard poultry and urban farms


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  • Rebecca Hyatt WESLEY CHAPEL, FL


    Everyone should be able to produce their own food if they so desire!


  • Jimmie Martin LUTZ, UNITED STATES

    I should have the right to raise my poultry without government interference and grow my own food. There is so many poisons that government agencies allow in our current food supplies that are harmful and they state a 'level' of safety. Well, my level of safety is knowing what goes into my poultry, and what goes in/on my garden.


  • Ann Hubbs DELAND, URUGUAY

    I believe that there is an increasing need for people to have the right to raise their own food.


  • Meredith Semmons SAINT PETERSBURG, FL

    I believe that keeping a reasonable number of chicken hens is not a sight, sound or smell nuisance for our urban or suburban neighbors. It is easy to keep fowl responsibly in a manner that will not inconvenience anyone; instead, it will provide food, income, interest and education.


  • James Pescha DELTONA, UNITED STATES

    The State of Florida already protects beekeepers and has cottage industry laws and rules for small scale poultry and egg sales. We have had cases where cities have told people they can not garden on their own property. We need to have our right to produce food for our-self and our families Protected state wide. The right to garden and to keep small scale livestock like rabbits and chickens should be available to all.

 

WizardMaster

In The Pokey
I have no problem with this in the F section :ideas: Or even expanding the ones already in Flagler Beach. Seminole Woods would be another nice place for approval for chickens.:dance2:
 

WNDB

ROBOPOSTER
Deltona Approves Backyard Chickens


Deltona, FL-An ordinance to allow residents to keep backyard chickens was approved last night in Deltona.
City commissioners voted 5 to 2 for that during Monday night’s second reading of the ordinance.
The report from News13is here.
Special permits will be issued to a limited number of residents.




Read More at News Daytona Beach
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
How much experience have you had with chickens, besides eating them. What exactly would you object to?
 

Jeannie

Founder
I would love them near me. I would not have any due to the small size of my yard but would not mind any one near me having them. I would not like the one year trial period either. I could not give them up once I had them.
 

WizardMaster

In The Pokey
I would love them near me. I would not have any due to the small size of my yard but would not mind any one near me having them. I would not like the one year trial period either. I could not give them up once I had them.
I promise to bring you all that I trap. I am good at trapping! Built my own oversize live trap. When friends come over, it's quite the conversation piece.
 

ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
No one's mentioned what they plan to do with the chicken poop. It has to be mucked and gotten rid of.
Five 5lb Hens do not produce near as much waste as a couple of 50 lb dogs

[h=3]Poultry Manure Production[/h] The total output of poultry manure from a given farm or complex can be estimated. From this information, the amount of manure that needs to be moved or used can be determined. Table 1 outlines the fresh manure output of several types of poultry. The total manure that will likely be produced can be calculated from this data. Keep in mind that cage layer manure in well-ventilated houses will lose moisture and the actual output of manure may be one third of that shown in the table. On the other hand, the total amount of used litter to be removed from the floor in a broiler or turkey growing house after the flock is sent to market is the manure output shown in Table 1 plus the original litter material adjusted for moisture changes. In either case, the amount of manure or used litter accumulated over a year's time is quite surprising. While the total amount of manure represents a material handling problem, the composition of manure determines where and how much of it can be utilized.

Another way to estimate manure output from the flock is to calculate it from the flock's feed intake. The relationship of feed intake to fresh manure output is shown in Table 1. The weight of fresh manure output is about 115 percent of the total dry feed intake. Total the flock's feed consumption records, and multiply it by 1.15 to get an estimate of fresh manure output. If the accumulated manure represents more than one flock, the feed records of all flocks must be added together before the calculation is made.
Table 1 How much manure does a poultry flock produce?
Type of Poultry Daily Feed Intake
(per 100 birds)
Daily Fresh Manure Output*
(per 100 birds)
Laying Chicken 20-26 pounds
20-34 pounds
Growing Broiler at 6 weeks of age 26-30 pounds 30-35 pounds
Growing Large Tom Turkey at 16 weeks of age 93-115 pounds 108-132 pounds
*Fresh manure will contain 70 percent to 80 percent moisture.

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Remember that fresh manure is 75 percent water and the moisture will evaporate from the accumulating manure while it is in the poultry house. Hence, if drying conditions in the house have been very good, only about one third of the calculated weight of the fresh manure will remain, reducing both the amount of manure to be spread on the cropland and the amount spread per acre.

The content of major fertilizer elements in fresh manure is shown in Table 2. These elements are concentrated in the manure when it dries and are diluted when the manure is mixed with litter in floor pen operations. The nitrogen content of the manure behaves differently. The nitrogen is lost as it becomes ammonia gas over time. These losses of nitrogen take place at different rates depending on temperature, moisture, pH, and bacterial activity. For these reasons, fresh manure or manure treated to avoid large nitrogen losses has a higher fertilization value. Rapid drying of fresh manure does help to preserve its nitrogen content. The use of superphosphate in manure to prevent nitrogen losses by reducing pH is not usually recommended because the added phosphorus is not necessary or desirable when poultry manure is used as a fertilizer.

The calcium content of poultry manure is also shown in Table 2. Manure from egg laying chickens is higher in calcium than manures resulting from growing broilers or turkeys. The higher calcium levels of manure from laying chickens used as fertilizer may interact with "liming" practices since both supply substantial amounts of calcium to the soil.


Table 2 What does freshly voided poultry manure contain?
Component or Element Laying Chicken Growing Broiler Growing Turkey
Total nitrogen* 1.0-1.8% 1.4-2.2% 1.2-2.5%
Phosphorus as P2O5 0.8-1.2% 0.9-1.2% 1.0-1.4%
Potassium as K2O 0.5-0.7% 0.5-0.8% 0.5-0.8%
Calcium 3.3-4.8% 1.2-2.5 1.0-2.3%
*Nitrogen is lost from poultry manure as ammonia (with time).
Storage of manure will therefore result in loss of some nitrogen content.

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KathyInAR

Founder
Staff member
I was thinking...free fertilizer...I'd think three-five hens wouldn't produce enough waste to be of a concern and the rains would wash it into the ground ...now, I don't think you'd want them in the same place where children would play.

A city gal asks, do you need a rooster for the hens to lay eggs or only for the eggs to hatch into baby chicks?
 

WizardMaster

In The Pokey
How much experience have you had with chickens, besides eating them. What exactly would you object to?
I've had plenty of experience. I was raised on a farm where we incubated the eggs and raised hatchlin's into full grown chickies, when the got ready to eat we would chop their heads off and remove their feathers and have the best chicken dinners around! Did you ever see a chicken lose it's head and still be able to run around?? BTW, I have observed that a brain is not needed to do such an activity! LMAO! Later, we just decided to take them to the local butcher and do partial trades. Later in life, I worked on an egg farm where there were millions of chickens laying eggs that came down our conveyor belt, through the washer , through quality control and straight to our robot machine that would pick up a dozen at a time and place into the styro cartons you find at Walmart, Publix and so forth. I know much about chickens.And I'm getting hungry for some fried drum sticks.

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WizardMaster

In The Pokey
As for the photo above, those are purely meaty chickens and not for eggs otherwise they would be in special cages that allowed their eggs to roll down onto a conveyor. <> In 2008, Goldman bought ten poultry farms in China for $300 million

 
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ROOT

Administrator
Staff member
[h=1]My friend from Vancouver Island took a break from his new aquaponics business to build himself a chicken coop. I'm thinking he should get into the coop game full time.[/h]

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This is one deluxe chicken coop. It has more automation than most homes!



The inside before it got painted. Note the sliding door and the space for nesting boxes up above.



Most of the construction done, time to start prepping for paint. Notice the pond liner on the roof in preparation for the green roof.



All painted and moved into its first new location. By using a lever he can pop the coop up onto the wheels to move it around the yard.



The motor for the automatic door. He re-configured an old windshield wiper motor to open and close the door with the use of limit switches and a programmable timer. There is a piece of white coroplast blocking the entrance to the nesting box now so they don't fall into the habit of sleeping up there. It will be opened up when they start laying.



The automatic sliding door. It currently opens at 7:30 am and closes at 10:30 pm. There's also a ventilation window on the left.



The veranda and dust bath area. The birds use the dust bath (diatomaceous earth) to combat any mites they may get. Note the wheel and axle underneath for moving it around the yard.



The battery and timers/switches for the automatic door and light, all charged by the solar panel.



The waterer. It has an internal valve from a toilet reservoir that allows us to hook up a hose for automatic top-up. The birds get water by tapping on the drip emitters with their beaks.



Oyster shell dispenser to supplement the calcium hungry diets of the chickens when they are laying eggs.



The nesting area. You can see the white coroplast partition is up on the left until they start laying at the age of 18 weeks, but there are 2 boxes, and each has a gap at the back. The whole thing is on a 4 degree slope, so once the chicken stands up after laying an egg the egg will gently roll to the back so he can collect it. This prevents the chickens from eating the egg or going broody. Another bonus is you don't have to battle any hens to get the eggs out from under them! The nesting area is painted dark because chickens prefer a darker area to nest in.



Inside the coop. 2 removable roosts, ventilation, and a light for making longer day lengths during the winter. The light is attached to a photo sensor and turns on only when it gets dark out during our programmed hours. The light is powered by a solar panel.



The chicken coop is mobile. By using a lever the wheels can be locked down and the coop can be moved.



Here the wheels are locked down showing the raised coop. Here you can also see the feeder. He used PVC 90° 4" fittings into the hopper so the birds can poke their head in to get at the feed, but can't spread the feed around the yard.



This window is on a hinge so once he installs the automatic heat activated louvre it will open when it's hot and close when it's cool.



The green roof! He planted all drought tolerant succulents. The solar panel and photosensor are up top. The green roof even includes drainage with downspouts on either side.



The coop in location!
 
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